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まじかよてん

1 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:03:23.11 ID:FKRhs2JFd.net

あらかじめ演技指導しとったらしい

Jay Van Bavel @jayvanbavel 2018-06-13 08:05:33
Today I had a chance to listen to the taped recording between the Warden and Prison Guard at the Stanford Prison Experiment.

That conversation spawned this fantastic blog about experiment, but it also revealed much more that wasn’t in the blog

medium.com/s/trustissues/…

1/n

Jay Van Bavel @jayvanbavel 2018-06-13 08:08:40
This was part of a brillian talk by @alexanderhaslam - scientist, scholar, and historian.

He failed to replicate the Stanford Prison Experiment years ago and has been digging around ever since trying to understand why his team found such strikingly different results.





10 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:06:29.62 ID:97AZNfm60.net

>>1
マママ?


2 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:03:48.90 ID:gdmwtd5o0.net

制服効果のやつ?
犬の奴?


4 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:04:27.02 ID:FKRhs2JFd.net

>>2
制服効果のやつ
あらかじめ看守役に「看守はこう振る舞うんやで」て指導してたのがばれた


13 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:07:37.93 ID:n2RC7u300.net

>>4
演技だったのが本当の看守の様に振る舞いだしたって実験やないんか


15 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:08:44.48 ID:K+uSkkFvd.net

>>4
そういう実験なんだよなぁ


3 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:03:52.33 ID:FKRhs2JFd.net

Jay Van Bavel @jayvanbavel 2018-06-13 08:12:26
The Stanford Prison Experience—as it is presented in textbooks—presents human nature as naturally conforming to oppressive systems.

This is a lesson that extends well beyond prison systems and the field criminology—but it’s wrong.

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拡大

Jay Van Bavel @jayvanbavel 2018-06-13 08:15:47
Alex and his colleagues (especially Steve Reicher) have been arguing for years that conformity often emerges when leaders cultivate a sense of shared identity.

This is an active, engaged process—very different from automatic and mindless conformity.


5 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:04:57.92 ID:d6E6DENQ0.net

そのブログのURL貼らんとこれだけじゃやらせとまで書いとらんやん


6 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:05:16.70 ID:dJ8/8oxZ0.net

ドヤ顔でこれを例に出してくる奴多かったのにな
顔真っ赤になるわこんなん


7 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:05:20.83 ID:d6E6DENQ0.net

早漏やったわすまんな


8 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:05:54.53 ID:FKRhs2JFd.net

Jay Van Bavel @jayvanbavel 2018-06-13 08:19:52
Alex has spent countless hours going through the archives of Milgram (at Yale) and Zimbardo (Stanford) to find out exactly what they did to see if this was mindless conformity or identity leadership.

The new tape released from Stanford was the missing piece of this puzzle.

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拡大

Jay Van Bavel @jayvanbavel 2018-06-13 08:23:06
We listen to the tape today and it was sho*ing—going well beyond what was already in the sho*ing blog.

The audio tape included the Warden telling a reluctant guard exactly how to act! This was unlike anything I’ve ever heard of in a psychology experiment.


9 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:06:22.18 ID:hzbALsvpd.net

アイヒマンのあれか?


11 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:07:03.03 ID:e7OKgZOA0.net

あらかじめの指導から暴走したんちゃうかったっけ


14 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:08:20.07 ID:FKRhs2JFd.net

>>11
あらかじめ看守に「看守とは受刑者いじめるんやで」て演技指導してその通りに演技したってだけの実験や

ほかの学者が追試してもスタンフォード実験のとーりにならんかって怪しんで調べたら出てきた


12 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:07:36.41 ID:UvUNJyv8M.net

ストックホルム症候群のやつか


16 風吹けば名無し :2018/06/14(木) 13:09:09.23 ID:d6E6DENQ0.net

じゃあ何のための実験だったんやろ



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